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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:44 am    Post subject: Hey Leslie Reply with quote

Topics you may wish to add you're perspective to over at Lu-La.

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=43646


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which thread are you talking about? The one where everyone is complaining about the state of photography or the one where the guy is complaining about how he can't phrase his licensing properly on his invoices?
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's an interesting thread, but it reminds me of why I avoid Ludicrous Landscape. Every old guys with decades in the industry is now cynical and dreams of the golden age, while a handful try to point out a dose of reality.

I really think too often that clients are dictating terms and rates to photographers. When it is agencies doing that, it could be considered collusion. Problem is that no matter what ethical or legal questions might come up, few would ever openly speak out against wrongdoing, because to do so would get one blacklisted from further work. It is easy enough for a photographer to say no to a project, and just as easy for an agency to find another photographer. If all anyone does is bring gear and low fees to a project, then those individuals are no better than the next guy with the same gear and even lower fees. It is impossible to compete on price, because someone will do the work while they lose money, just in the hope that they can float along until better projects come their way.

What we absolutely have to do is bring ideas to projects. We need to be results biased. Our images are our voice. The problem now is how to sing above the chatter.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with you Gordon I still feel that the trade as we knew is long gone and has been for some time.

Yes our images are our invoice, but that serves us well only with an informed clientele and one that has the budget in the first place. I've spoken with many an AD that said they had no room for discussion on budget. The CEO or the principal decision maker understood it could be done for less, end of discussion.

What I find interesting is how many times recently I've seen posts like the OP in the LL thread. I want to reply and ask what they were thinking up til now because this is old news.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lu-la is mostly populated with, at best, prosumers. I don't like to sound like a snob, but the quality of the convos there, well, I don't want to participate.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granted there are a bunch of prosumers there but there are quite a few real pros. Some of the best shooters I know post there (and don't post here.)

http://christopherbarrett.net/

http://www.jeffreyjacobsphoto.com/

http://www.craiglamson.com/index.htm

http://www.marcgerritsen.com/
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeffrey has the patience of a saint to post there (he's a friend).
Actually, I do know some real pros who try to participate, to raise the level and educate, but they rarely last and are always very frustrated at the attitudes shown on that site.
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